CoachVille
Class #007 - Absence of Doubt
February 13, 2002 - 3:00 p.m. EST
Thomas J. Leonard, Session Leader
TJL: Hi, and welcome to the call; this is Thomas Leonard
-we're going to be talking about the absence of doubt. It's
part of the Absence Of program, obviously. We're going to
be talking about - we're going to talk about what we mean
by doubt, teasing out what it really means to doubt, and
looking at it from a commercial standpoint, in terms of
their business and their relationship with their customers.
I'm going to be talking about 5 minutes, laying out the
discussion and then asking you to participate in a discussion
for about 40 minutes. I've been having some experiences
with vendors lately that have left me with doubt, and it's
got me thinking on the subject. I know people who have joined
Coachville have doubts, but we're going to solve that problem
internally. We're going to send out an email a week for
the first 4-5 weeks of membership.
I also know that I went to Amsterdam recently, and Orbitz,
where I bought the ticket from, sent me everything except
the seat assignment. I didn't realize until I got to the
airport. The cost of doubt leads to fear and people not
buying because they don't like to experience not knowing.
I also know I ordered something from office depot and every
day they sent me something confirming my order and reminding
me when it was going to happen. It was somehow just comforting,
and I would go back to them for future purchases. I think
it's up to us as coaches to eliminate fear about how the
process is going to happen. I think those vendors that go
the extra mile really do earn a person's business. Any of
you have examples of experiences with vendors or other coaches
that removed any fear, or was just a positive experience?
XXX: I can think of things that people have done to remove
the doubt. I'm working with a graphic designer/web developer.
She said she would get the logos to me by Thursday and she
had them to me by Tuesday. She's right with me, every other
day or so, and I just don't have to do any work; she thinks
about everything.
TJL: And that's a pretty unique set of skills for someone
in that business. Is she that kind of person or does she
have to work at it?
XXX: I think she has to work to communicate with people.
TJL: Great!
XXX: I think that would be a great question to ask her,
though.
TJL: Yes - I think one mistake I've made as a coach is
when I have 30 clients, I have all I can do to answer the
phone. The more we can do to communicate with our clients
on a topic that would interest them, we can feel we're there
with them. Who else has had a positive experience with a
vendor?
XXX: I just had a great experience with audible.com. I
joined them because they were giving an MP3 player for free.
A month after I joined the player stopped working, and sent
an email. The service was unbelievable. I got on the phone
to the number they suggested, and I got a free player to
go with it.
TJL: I just bought a $1,000 coffee machine. When I bought
it, they had a list of all the things you might have questions
about or that might go wrong. They sent this guide along
with it, and it really answered a lot of questions. Now,
I'm a fan! I don't know what I'm doing half the time, and
if you can eliminate doubt for me, I'm your friend forever.
XXX: When you were talking, I realized that we have a hot-water
dispenser that was just over a year old that quit working.
I couldn't locate the warranty or any other papers, but
I called the company and within just a couple of minutes,
they had a new machine on the way, along with the knowledge
that they would pay for the plumber, if I needed one. For
me, though, having a list of things that could go wrong
would make me worry.
TJL: Well, it really isn't a list of things that could
go wrong, but it's really a list of quirks and what to do,
in a very positive tone. Most of us have clients that are
in doubt, until we teach them. If I were in coaching again,
I would spend at least 20-30 minutes in a separate session
to talk about the process of coaching. I would eliminate
the fear they have about entering and exiting the process,
if I miss a call, and so on. They're not necessarily things
that clients are asking about, but we eliminate the doubt
they didn't know they had. It's a pro-active process.
XXX: That makes perfect sense to me.
XXX: That's something I haven't thought about - I tell
them what happens if they miss a call, but not what to do
when I miss a call.
TJL: It just shows them you've thought it through, and
that increases their trust in you. I'm not quite sure where
to go with this; I think there are things they don't even
know they're doubting, but if we approach it before anything
happens, I think the bonding process is stronger.
XXX: Do you find if you ask the client straight out about
doubts they have that they're able to articulate them?
TJL: I used to think that, but I want to make sure they
know how it works before we get started. You may lose a
client because a surprise happened and they don't know how
to handle it. Look at doctors - they diagnose and prescribe,
but they really don't eliminate doubt.
XXX: This would certainly be a good class for just about
anybody in a customer-relations business, particularly with
the first few examples.
TJL: Or even do a poll of your customers - what are things
that you're unclear about or doubt in someway? My whole
premise is that there's a ton of stuff we don't know are
out there, like tolerations. I believe the same is true
with things you're not clear on. When I leave my car off
for service, you really have to force them to make sure
they give me exactly what I need so I'm not just wondering.
I think it becomes more important because people don't want
to use up valuable RAM worrying, and we don't want to waste
time thinking about things that are unclear. I used to put
up with it a lot, and I just can't anymore.
XXX: What you're saying is that you go to businesses where
you get the information you need. I think the absence of
doubt is good customer service.
TJL: Yes, it is, but I don't think it's taken as seriously
in customer service as handling complaints.
XXX: There's no question about that, Thomas. Customer service
departments are motivated by negativity.
TJL: They're in a reaction mode. It's almost like the police
department. They don't want to stop crime that much because
then they'd be out of a job. I think a focus on this could
be quite telling in terms of attraction and customer retention.
XXX: I think the examples you gave are just that - you
said, "I'm a fan for life."
TJL: I would give it an even greater phrase and have the
standard be a completely doubt-free transaction.
XXX: I'm just thinking about how we handle this in our
lives, and it looks like we should be proactive and choose
places where we don't get that feeling of doubt.
TJL: Yes, and I think people are making these vendor decisions
unconsciously. I don't think it's even on the radar of most
companies. I'm just wondering if there's anything we can
talk about to help us eliminate doubt for our clients in
the coaching process. There's just tons of doubt people
have; I'd love to talk about that.
XXX: Well, obviously we're not!
XXX: It's a biggie.
XXX: It's a different twist on things; I pride myself on
my customer service, but I've never taken this approach
to it. I'll bet you if I polled them, they'd still have
doubts. This is a tough one, Thomas.
TJL: I probably would poll them asking them several questions,
like what are the doubts you have about (1) me? (2) my ability
to serve you in a professional manner, (3) the power of
coaching, (4) that you'll reach your goal? I think that'll
increase communication and help the client with their goals,
and it's not a scary conversation to have. It's a way to
perfect yourself as a coach, learning fro every client.
I was on a call recently and we talked about how important
it is to learn from your clients, rather than relying on
a school to give you all the training you need. Just one
example of that is finding out the doubts a client might
have.
XXX: Thomas, I like the idea of polling my clients because
I can see myself asking them, but I think I'm too close
to the chalk board. I think I will run the poll!
TJL: Good for you; I'd love to hear from you about it.
I haven't done it yet with my clients, so I'm anxious to
hear.
XXX: I would like to try that because I 'd like to see
what they'd say, and do it with the clients I've been working
with a while.
TJL: That's a perfect group to start with - see what their
tolerations are. You could even do it at the beginning and
6 months down the line to see if anything new pops up. Let's
think of some other questions we could ask.
XXX: Are we going the direction you want to go?
TJL: Do you doubt my ability to handle really bad news
you might have to share with me? Anybody else want to come
up with a question?
XXX: Those feel much more powerful for current clients;
I like those.
TJL: Yes, doubts are there, no matter how happy the client
may be. You may not want to bring it up, but because people
change and grow, I think doubts are there all the time;
it's just a question of managing it.
XXX: Part of the doubt management is - how do I do this?
I had to try 6 different coaches before I found one I was
comfortable with; I tell that to my clients so they know
they're free to leave whenever they think best.
TJL: Very good; what other questions can you think of?
Well, great. Let's debrief; what's the one thing that's
really struck you about this topic?
XXX: One is that I'll definitely do the survey. The 2nd
thing is to bring it up as a different spin to customer
service. I work with all different people, and taking their
customer service higher is a great idea.
TJL: Great; who else?
XXX: It's just eliminating the fear that clients might
have about us and the practice is enough to push me to ask
those questions.
TJL: Because one of the benefits of reducing doubt is that
the fear is eliminated as well.
XXX: I will certainly do the survey; I'm struck by the
philosophy of the whole conversation of how customer service
is motivated.
XXX: Yes; it's just a more effective probe, and it means
you're ahead of that client, rather than just doing a survey.
XXX: It's a willingness to discuss how doubt services -
that really takes that trust and bond to another level.
TJL: That's a good point. Just to talk about doubt means
you're willing to talk about any problem that might come
up.
XXX: And it extends to our own personal doubts as well.
Just brining that to the table in a productive way would
advance both parties, I would think.
TJL: I think it will raise coaching to another level.
XXX: Also, you said they'll think more of you for asking
it.
TJL: And will think more of the process because they've
reinforced their own conclusion that you're great to work
with. I think it takes that level of enjoyment to a higher
place.
XXX: I also think it creates a safety net for customers
and clients to discuss their concerns.
TJL: Yes; we haven't talked yet about how to handle the
customers comments or concerns. I think we're all a little
afraid of not delivering or pleasing the clients. Good;
anyone else?
XXX: A thought just struck me about the conference set
up for Coachville; there's no doubt in my mind that it'll
be a good conference and I'll learn new things.
TJL: Because of the emails we've been sending out?
XXX: Yes. They're really full of information!
TJL: Good. Anyone else have a comment? Great; thank you
all for playing today - great call!